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Socrates: A Role Model for Youth - P2/2 (In Greek)
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"Virtue and vice
in the same man are found,
And now they gain,
and now
they lose their ground."
And, in my opinion,
they are in the right:
for when I consider
that they who have
learned verses by heart
forget them unless
they repeat them often,
so I believe that they who
neglect the reasonings
of philosophers,
insensibly lose
the remembrance of them;
and when they have let
these excellent notions
slip out of their minds,
they at the same time
lose the idea of the things
that supported in the soul
the love of temperance;
and, having forgot
those things,
what wonder is it
if at length they forget
temperance likewise?
I observe, besides, that men
who abandon themselves
to the debauches of wine
or women find it
more difficult to
apply themselves to things
that are profitable,
and to abstain from
what is hurtful.
For many who live frugally
before they fall in love
become prodigal
when that passion gets
the mastery over them;
insomuch that after having
wasted their estates,
they are reduced to gain
their bread by methods
they would have been
ashamed of before.
What hinders then,
but that a man, who
has been once temperate,
should be so no longer,
and that he who has led
a good life at one time
should not do so at another?
I should think, therefore,
that the being
of all virtues, and
chiefly of temperance,
depends on the practice
of them: for lust, that
dwells in the same body
with the soul,
incites it continually
to despise this virtue,
and to find out
the shortest way
to gratify the senses only.
Thus, whilst Alcibiades
and Critias conversed
with Socrates,
they were able, with
so great an assistance,
to tame their inclinations;
but after they had left him,
Critias, being retired
into Thessaly,
ruined himself entirely
in the company
of some libertines;
and Alcibiades,
seeing himself courted by
several women of quality,
because of his beauty,
and suffering himself
to be corrupted by
soothing flatterers, who
made their court to him,
in consideration
of the credit he had
in the city and
with the allies; in a word,
finding himself respected
by all the Athenians,
and that no man disputed
the first rank with him,
began to neglect himself,
and acted like
a great wrestler,
who takes not the trouble
to exercise himself,
when he no longer finds
an adversary who dares
to contend with him.
If we would examine,
therefore, all that
has happened to them;
if we consider
how much the greatness
of their birth, their interest,
and their riches,
had puffed up their minds;
if we reflect on
the ill company
they fell into,
and the many
opportunities they had
of debauching themselves,
can we be surprised that,
after they had been so long
absent from Socrates,
they arrived at length to
that height of insolence
to which they have
been seen to arise?
If they have been guilty
of crimes, the accuser will
load Socrates with them,
and not allow him
to be worthy of praise,
for having kept them within
the bounds of their duty
during their youth,
when, in all appearance,
they would have been
the most disorderly
and least governable.
This, however,
is not the way
we judge of other things;
for whoever pretended
that a musician, a player
on the lute,
or any other person
that teaches, after he has
made a good scholar,
ought to be blamed for
his growing more ignorant
under the care
of another master?
If a young man gets
an acquaintance
that brings him
into debauchery,
ought his father
to lay the blame
on the first friends
of his son among whom
he always lived virtuously?
Is it not true,
on the contrary,
that the more he finds
that this last friendship
proves destructive to him,
the more reason
he will have to praise
his former acquaintance.
And are the fathers
themselves, who are
daily with their children,
guilty of their faults,
if they give them
no ill example?
Thus they ought to
have judged of Socrates;
if he led an ill life,
it was reasonable
to esteem him vicious;
but if a good,
was it just to accuse him
of crimes of which
he was innocent?
And yet he might have
given his adversaries
ground to accuse him,
had he but approved,
or seemed to approve
those vices in others,
from which
he kept himself free:
but Socrates abhorred vice,
not only in himself,
but in everyone besides.
To prove which,
I need only relate
his conduct toward Critias,
a man extremely addicted
to debauchery.
Socrates perceiving
that this man had
an unnatural passion
for Euthydemus,
and that the violence of it
would precipitate him
so far a length
as to make him transgress
the bounds of nature,
shocked at his behavior,
he exerted his utmost
strength of reason and
argument to dissuade him
from so wild a desire.
And while the impetuosity
of Critias' passion
seemed to scorn all check
or control,
and the modest rebuke
of Socrates
had been disregarded,
the philosopher,
out of an ardent zeal
for virtue, broke out
in such language,
as at once declared his
own strong inward sense
of decency and order, and
the monstrous shamefulness
of Critias' passion.
Which severe but just
reprimand of Socrates,
it is thought,
was the foundation
of that grudge which
he ever after bore him;
for during the tyranny
of the Thirty, of which
Critias was one, when,
together with Charicles,
he had the care
of the civil government
of the city, he failed not
to remember this affront,
and, in revenge of it,
made a law
to forbid teaching the art
of reasoning in Athens:
and having nothing
to reproach Socrates with
in particular, he labored
to render him odious
by aspersing him
with the usual calumnies
that are thrown
on all philosophers:
for I have never heard
Socrates say
that he taught this art,
nor seen any man who
ever heard him say so; but
Critias had taken offence,
and gave
sufficient proofs of it:
for after the Thirty had
caused to be put to death
a great number
of the citizens, and even
of the most eminent, and
had let loose the reins
to all sorts of violence
and rapine, Socrates said
in a certain place
that he wondered
if a Minister of State,
who lessens every day
the number of his citizens,
and makes the others
more dissolute,
was not ashamed
of his ministry, and
would not own himself
to be an ill magistrate.
This was reported
to Critias and Charicles,
who forthwith sent for
Socrates, and showing him
the law they had made,
forbid him to discourse
with the young men.
Upon which Socrates
asked them whether
they would permit him
to propose a question,
that he might be
informed of what
he did not understand
in this prohibition; and
his request being granted,
he spoke in this manner:
"I am most ready
to obey your laws; but
that I may not transgress
through ignorance,
I desire to know of you,
whether you condemn
the art of reasoning,
because you believe
it consists
in saying things well,
or in saying them ill?
If for the former reason,
we must then,
from henceforward,
abstain from speaking
as we ought;
and if for the latter,
it is plain that we ought to
endeavor to speak well."
At these words Charicles
flew into a passion,
and said to him:
"Since you pretend
to be ignorant of things
that are so easily known,
we forbid you to speak
to the young men
in any manner whatever."
"It is enough,"
answered Socrates;
"but that I may not be
in a perpetual uncertainty,
pray prescribe to me,
till what age men
are young."
"Till they are capable of
being members
of the Senate,"
said Charicles:
"in a word,
speak to no man under
thirty years of age."
"How!" says Socrates,
"if I would buy anything
of a tradesman
who is not thirty years old
am I forbid to ask him
the price of it?"
"I mean not so,"
answered Charicles:
"but I am not surprised that
you ask me this question,
for it is your custom
to ask many things
that you know very well."
Socrates added:
"And if a young man
ask me in the street
where Charicles lodges,
or whether I know
where Critias is, must I
make him no answer?"
"I mean not so neither,"
answered Charicles.
Here Critias, interrupting
their discourse, said:
"For the future, Socrates,
you must have nothing to do
with the city tradesmen,
the shoemakers, masons,
smiths, and
other mechanics,
whom you so often allege
as examples of life;
and who, I apprehend,
are quite jaded
with your discourses."
"I must then likewise,"
replied Socrates,
"omit the consequences
I draw from
those discourses;
and have no more to do
with justice, piety,
and the other duties
of a good man."
"Yes, yes," said Charicles.
Thus we see how Critias
frequented Socrates,
and what opinion
they had of each other.
I add, moreover,
that we cannot learn
anything of a man
whom we do not like:
therefore if Critias
and Alcibiades made
no great improvement
with Socrates,
it proceeded from this,
that they never liked him.
For at the very time that
they conversed with him,
they always rather courted
the conversation of those
who were employed
in the public affairs,
because they had no design
but to govern.
The following conference
of Alcibiades,
in particular,
which he had with
Pericles, his governor –
who was the chief man
of the city,
whilst he was yet under
twenty years of age –
concerning the nature
of the laws, will confirm
what I have now advanced.
"Pray," says Alcibiades,
"explain to me
what the law is:
for, as I hear men praised
who observe the laws,
I imagine that this praise
could not be given to those
who know not
what the law is."
"It is easy to satisfy you,"
answered Pericles:
"the law is only
what the people in
a general assembly ordain,
declaring what ought
to be done, and what
ought not to be done."
"And tell me,"
added Alcibiades,
"do they ordain to do
what is good,
or what is ill?"
"Most certainly
what is good."
Alcibiades pursued:
"And how would you call
what a small number
of citizens should ordain,
in states where the people
is not the master, but
all is ordered by the advice
of a few persons, who
possess the sovereignty?"
"I would call whatever
they ordain a law;
for laws are nothing else
but the ordinances
of sovereigns."
"If a tyrant
then ordain anything,
will that be a law?"
"Yes, it will," said Pericles.
"But what then is
violence and injustice?"
continued Alcibiades;
"is it not when the strongest
makes himself be obeyed
by the weakest,
not by consent,
but by force only?"
"In my opinion it is."
"It follows then,"
says Alcibiades,
"that ordinances
made by a prince,
without the consent
of the citizens,
will be absolutely unjust."
"I believe so,"
said Pericles;
"and cannot allow that
the ordinances of a prince,
when they are made
without the consent
of the people, should
bear the name of laws."
"And what the chief
citizens ordain, without
procuring the consent
of the greater number,
is that likewise a violence?"
"There is no question
of it," answered Pericles;
"and in general,
every ordinance made
without the consent of
those who are to obey it,
is a violence
rather than a law."
"And is what
the populace decree,
without the concurrence
of the chiefs, to be counted
a violence likewise,
and not a law?"
"No doubt it is,"
said Pericles: "but
when I was of your age,
I could resolve all
these difficulties, because
I made it my business
to inquire into them,
as you do now."
"Would to God,"
cried Alcibiades,
"I had been so happy
as to have conversed
with you then,
when you understood
these matters better."
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