Thoughtful viewers, 
today on Science 
and Spirituality 
we present the first 
in a three-part series 
featuring acclaimed 
British scientist, 
author, 
visionary and lecturer 
Dr. Jude Currivan, 
who has learned that 
science and spirituality 
can be viewed as 
two sides of the same coin. 
Having experienced 
multi-dimensional realities 
since the age of four, 
Dr. Currivan was guided 
to pursue a career 
that integrates the latest 
developments in science, 
universal and 
ancient wisdom and 
new revelations about 
a conscious universe 
with no boundaries 
between 
science, spirituality 
and everything else. 
After conducting research 
in ancient cosmologies, 
Dr. Currivan received 
her Ph.D. in archaeology 
from the University 
of Reading in the UK. 
She also holds an M.A. 
in physics from
Oxford University, UK 
with a specialization 
in cosmology and 
quantum physics.
Dr. Currivan is the author 
of “The Wave,”
“The 8th Chakra” 
and “CosMos.”
In addition, in 2008 
she co-authored 
the CD set 
“Heart, Mind and Purpose,” 
which highlights 
her teachings. 
Her books have been 
published
in over 14 languages.
Dr. Currivan’s work 
involves empowering 
others, raising awareness 
and facilitating global 
harmony, creativity, 
sustainability 
and wholeness. 
She speaks regularly
at global conferences, 
and appears on US 
and UK media outlets.
Now let’s hear from 
Dr. Currivan about 
how she began her search 
to comprehend 
the inner workings of 
nature and the universe.
I was four years old 
and growing up 
in the North of England 
in a very working class 
area and environment, 
when a discarnate light 
literally came 
into my bedroom. 
And that really began 
a lifelong quest for me 
to answer two questions. 
One: How the cosmos 
is as it is. 
And second, and perhaps 
most importantly, why is 
the cosmos is as it is? 
And so I became 
very interested in ancient 
wisdom and also science 
from a very early age. 
And for me they were 
never separate.
They were always
two halves of the same coin, 
or two faces
of the same coin. 
Science was trying
to understand how 
the universe or cosmos is 
as it is using 
scientific methods. 
But also, 
I was experiencing 
how the world is and that 
led me to the deeper 
question of, 
“Why is the world as it is?” 
And that's the journey 
I followed ever since. 
After this 
auspicious beginning, 
Dr. Currivan pursued 
academic knowledge 
and a career in business, 
which she views 
as a practical, educational 
phase of her life that 
helped enhance her skills 
and understanding.
And so I studied science, 
I studied ancient wisdom, 
I went to university 
and did a master's degree 
in physics and 
specialized in quantum 
physics and cosmology. 
And then I went into 
the world of business for 
a whole raft of reasons, 
but I think that, 
when I now look back, 
I have a very strong 
sense that for all of us, 
nothing's wasted.
I studied for a Ph.D. 
in archeology because 
I wanted to have 
a credibility to explain 
ancient wisdom, 
ancient cosmologies, 
ancient ways of 
looking at the world, 
universal wisdom, 
perennial wisdom 
that's as relevant today 
as it was 2,000 or 5,000 
or however many 
thousands of years ago. 
And somehow bring 
that all together with 
the leading edge science 
that was really beginning 
to go beyond what I feel 
had been a limiting 
perspective of the world 
for a long time. 
So what my work does 
now is it brings together 
leading edge science, 
universal and 
ancient wisdom, 
and new revelation,
and sets that in a context 
of a conscious universe, 
of a conscious cosmos, 
where there is 
no separation between 
spirituality and science. 
There's no separation 
even between body and 
mind, body and soul. 
It's an emerging vision 
where everything is 
becoming integrated and 
it's an empowering vision 
because what 
it's showing us and 
its discoveries are 
showing us is that we are 
not just the creation 
of a cosmos, 
we are a co-creator 
of our realities. 
And that I think is 
incredibly important 
to this moment. 
Because that old limited 
way of looking at the 
world as materialistic, 
and essentially random 
and meaningless, 
has bought us to the edge 
of an abyss, has bought 
us to the edge
of a global breakdown.
As a scientist, especially 
in the quantum theory, 
could you explain more 
about non-locality and 
quantum entanglements. 
How does physics explain 
that our intentions 
create our reality 
individually and collectively 
as a human race? 
I would say at the 
moment that quantum 
physics is in a dilemma, 
because it's 
an unfinished revolution. 
Essentially, nearly 
a century ago now, 
there were two amazingly 
powerful insights 
into the physical world. 
One was insights into the 
world of the very small, 
the quantum world, 
the world of the minute 
subatomic world. 
And the other insight that 
was happening around 
the same time 
was the insights 
of Albert Einstein into
the large-scale world
of space and time. 
And both were 
crucial insights, 
but neither spoke 
to the other. 
Quantum physics 
is very good and 
was very good from 
the beginning of 
beginning to describe the 
world at the tiniest level. 
But it has no concept 
of space or time. 
And the large-scale world, 
the relativistic world of 
Einstein isn't quantized, 
and so the two 
don't speak to each other. 
The two haven't spoken 
to each other. 
They'd rather be like 
strangers dancing round 
each other for 
almost a century now. 
And the last period 
of time, the last 80 or so 
years has been trying
to get them to come 
together and so far 
without success. 
Because I feel that 
there's a massive piece 
of the equation 
that's missing. 
And that is consciousness 
and the reason for that is 
that when the quantum 
physicists were starting 
to get the insights 
to the quantum world, 
it became very clear 
that one of 
the basic tenets 
of the scientific method, 
which is to separate 
the observer and that 
which is observed, 
had to be thrown out 
of the way. 
Because what became 
clear is that when 
we observe something, 
we affect it. 
We influence it. 
We alter it. 
We cannot not do that. 
That is intrinsic 
to our observation. 
It's even intrinsic 
to our intention to 
observe or to measure. 
And so we cannot 
separate the observer 
and the observed. 
But the other deep insight 
of quantum physics, 
that again was 
barely understood, 
was this phenomenon 
called “non-locality,” 
For Einstein, 
nothing could go faster 
than the speed of light. 
That was the whole basis 
really of relativistic theory. 
And yet, here we were 
in the quantum world, 
having situations where 
two particles, and firstly, 
it was a theoretical 
presumption that just 
came out of 
quantum physics 
because nobody had 
the experimental ability 
to prove it. 
But nonetheless, 
quantum physics, 
quantum theory said 
categorically that if 
two particles were 
created as twins, then 
they could be separated 
for whatever distance 
and if at whatever 
timeframe, not just 
separate in space, 
but separate in time.
And what that so-called 
non-locality showed is 
that quantum particles, 
even though
they may be separated 
by millions of miles, 
or millions of years, 
and this is what very few 
people really understand, 
can nonetheless 
be non-locally connected 
as a single entity. 
Because literally, 
there is no signal that 
goes between them. 
So on a deeper level 
of reality, 
they are conjoined. 
Now eventually theory 
became experimental 
reality in the 1980s, 
when it was shown that 
indeed non-locality 
is a real phenomenon. 
But then the physicists 
said, "Well that's fine, 
but it's got to be limited 
to the quantum world. 
It's got nothing to do 
with everyday life." 
Dr. Currivan will 
next elaborate on how 
advancements in physics 
in recent decades 
have increased 
our understanding 
of the intimate 
interconnectedness of all 
elements in the universe.
But over the years, 
experimental techniques 
improved to the extent 
that organic molecules 
have now been able to be 
non-locally entangled. 
And when you get 
to the scale of 
an organic molecule, 
you're so big 
compared to quantum, 
that essentially and 
theoretically there should 
be no limit to the scale 
of non-locality. 
And what is now, I think, 
far more exciting than 
arguments about scale of 
non-locality is a growing 
accumulating evidence 
of our consciousness 
being connected 
on non-local levels. 
In many different 
experiments and what's 
called meta-analysis 
of experiments. 
In other words, 
thousands of experiments 
pull together and 
statistically analyzed to 
show whether something 
is real or not, something 
is significant or not, 
has shown that 
psi-phenomena effects, 
such as telepathy 
and remote viewing 
are non-locally real. 
In other words, 
we are able to be, 
and we are indeed 
interconnected 
on non-local levels. 
So we're not just talking 
about the quantum 
phenomenon here. 
We're talking progressively, 
and this is something 
that leading edge science 
is becoming more 
and more accepting of. 
The entire universe, 
essentially, is non-locally 
interconnected at its most 
fundamental level. 
We truly are 
a whole world. 
And what that is 
very important for 
is actually progressively 
showing that there is 
ultimately no separation 
between me and you, 
and me and we, 
and us and the Earth, 
and the Earth and our 
solar system, our galaxy. 
Ultimately, 
our entire universe 
is an integral entity 
and is undergoing 
a process of 
evolutionary development 
as a single entity. 
So non-locality, 
at the beginning was 
almost an inconvenience 
to the quantum physicists. 
And this whole concept 
of observer/observed was 
almost an inconvenience. 
Those two are the keys 
now to a much greater 
and deeper 
understanding of the 
nature of reality itself. 
Dr. Currivan, 
we thank you for 
your profound insights 
on the interplay between 
modern science, 
ancient wisdom and 
human consciousness. 
You, and other scientists 
like yourself, 
are playing an important 
role in informing people 
that there is far more 
to the universe than just 
the physical surroundings 
we perceive.
For more details
on Dr. Currivan, 
please visit 
www.JudeCurrivan.com
Books by Jude Currivan 
are available
at the same website
Please join us 
next Monday on 
Science and Spirituality 
for the continuation of 
our three-part interview 
with Dr. Currivan.
Genial viewers, 
thank you for 
your presence today 
on our program. 
Coming up next is 
Words of Wisdom, 
after Noteworthy News. 
May the world always 
live as one united family.
Welcome, 
reflective viewers, 
to this week’s edition of 
Science and Spirituality, 
featuring the second 
in our three-part series 
on acclaimed 
British scientist, author, 
visionary and lecturer 
Dr. Jude Currivan,
who has learned that 
science and spirituality 
can be viewed as two sides 
of the same coin. 
Having experienced 
multi-dimensional realities 
since the age of four, 
Dr. Currivan was guided 
to pursue a career 
that integrates the latest 
developments in science, 
universal and 
ancient wisdom and 
new revelations about 
a conscious universe 
with no boundaries 
between 
science, spirituality 
and everything else. 
After conducting research 
in ancient cosmologies, 
Dr. Currivan received 
her Ph.D. in archaeology 
from the University 
of Reading in the UK. 
She also holds an M.A. 
in physics from
Oxford University 
with a specialization 
in cosmology and 
quantum physics.
Last week, Dr. Currivan 
discussed her background 
and her growth 
in understanding about 
the nature of the cosmos. 
She also presented ideas 
on how modern theories 
in physics 
are beginning to show
how human consciousness 
is intimately intertwined 
with the physical universe, 
a phenomenon called 
“non-local interconnection,” 
which has long 
been understood 
by the world’s
great spiritual traditions. 
Let’s now continue 
our interview 
with Dr. Currivan 
to learn more about 
this fascinating subject.
The information 
of our universe has been 
held on its boundary, 
not within it, 
what we call space, 
three-dimensional space, 
but on its boundary, 
rather like the surface, 
the spherical surface 
of a black hole. 
And so what's been realized 
is that just as 
in a hologram, where 
we have a two-dimensional 
representation 
of information, that when 
light flows through it, 
a three-dimensional object 
is recreated. 
This holographic principle 
is being used now 
on the leading edge 
of cosmology as a way 
of modeling our universe. 
Scientific understanding 
of the holographic nature 
of the universe 
requires viewing reality 
as a product of our own 
conscious thoughts 
and intentions.
Now if information is 
at the very root 
of what we call reality, 
then essentially, 
we need to take a step 
further back
and understand that 
it's conscious intention that 
is creating our realities. 
That consciousness 
pervades everything, 
is everything. 
It's not even relevant to 
talk about the separation 
of mind and spirit and body, 
because all they are, 
are different aspects 
of the same whole.
As a cosmologist 
for many, many years, 
my perception has been 
that there are fundamental
interconnections 
between people and places 
that work out 
on energetic 
and conscious levels.  
And I found that time 
and time and time again, 
that we have connections 
between people and places. 
And there are 
certain hotspots 
on the surface of Gaia, 
and think of Gaia, 
think of the Earth 
as a living consciousness.
It’s very different from 
our own individuator 
consciousness,  for sure, 
but we have to really now 
start to expand 
our awareness 
beyond just the 
human understanding, 
beyond the personality 
understanding.
Speech and thoughts 
and actions actually 
on a collective level 
can influence 
and can create, reality 
around us. 
And that’s not just the 
energy field of humanity, 
it’s the energy field 
of Gaia herself, of which 
we are an intrinsic part. 
So what’s been known 
on a spiritual level 
for many years 
is now being proven 
to be the case. 
That we do affect 
other people and when 
we send out love that helps. 
That opens people up, 
that’s a higher vibration, 
but when we either fear 
or we hate, then 
that is a lower vibration, 
and that too has 
influence and effect. 
And so the more that 
we can raise our vibration, 
become more coherent 
in a feeling of love, 
then that raises 
the whole vibration 
of our collective. 
We need to 
take this breath out that 
goes from the individual 
to the family to the nation 
to the collective to Gaia 
to our solar system 
and on beyond that. 
And as we move 
from that level 
of our personality,
as we grow and awaken 
and expand our awareness 
to transpersonal levels, 
we both see and understand 
and experience 
that whole world. 
We experience that 
non-local interconnectivity. 
And we begin 
to experience 
multidimensional realities. 
What we believe we see, 
what we do not believe, 
what we cannot imagine, 
we literally do not see. 
And there is a shift 
taking place, individually 
and collectively; 
as we do wake up, 
we’re beginning 
to open our awareness 
to other possibilities. 
We’re beginning 
to see things 
that we did not see before 
because of those 
self-imposed limitations.
Transcending 
our traditional, 
three-dimensional way 
of viewing the world 
will move humankind 
into a new reality.
So, as we begin 
to develop or to cultivate 
this new way of thinking 
to turn around 
into the light as it were, 
are you saying 
that is a connection 
that we’ll see worldwide 
if we start to shift 
in our consciousness?
I feel we are seeing 
the shift worldwide. 
We’re literally moving 
as part of the shift 
into what I call 
“mythic reality.” 
We are 
living mythic reality. 
This is a time of miracles 
and synchronicities 
and waves of change 
that are coming through us 
and we can make that shift, 
we can live that shift 
as gracefully and 
as lovingly as possible 
or hold on to limited ideas 
of control and ego-based 
perception of reality. 
Dr. Currivan was inspired 
to travel the world 
to find evidence relating 
to the coming change 
in human awareness. 
She visited places where 
she says the Lemurians, 
a race of people 
who are said to have lived 
on the Earth’s surface 
tens of thousands 
of years ago 
but are now underground,  
placed “solar discs” 
to help humanity remember 
we  are connected with 
the rest of the universe. 
In your book, 
“The 13th Step,” 
you described a pilgrimage 
to the ancient artifacts 
around the world. 
Would you tell us 
a little bit about that? 
What it means? 
Well, back in 1998, 
I was given 
a spiritual download, 
of really the years to come. 
And at that point, 
there were 13, 14 years 
or so until the end 
of the Mayan Calendar 
which ends 
on the December solstice 
of 2012. 
And I was given 
an understanding 
that around the world 
there were 12 
multi-dimensional artifacts 
that had been positioned 
around the planetary 
energy grid that were 
ready to be activated 
for the shift that is now. 
And that they’d 
been positioned there 
during Lemurian times 
around 39,000 years ago. 
Now as people 
probably appreciate, 
that came as 
quite a shock to me. 
And I really needed 
a lot of validation because 
as far I was aware, 
nobody else 
was being given 
this sort of information.
But I trusted 
the information. 
I trusted it enough 
to really begin 
what was a pilgrimage 
to the sites 
that I’ve been told about. 
And the validation was 
that when I had 
my first intimation 
of this information 
that within about three 
or four weeks, there were 
so many synchronicities 
that played into 
the information 
that I’ve been given 
that essentially 
it just felt right, that 
I needed to go forward 
and see what would come. 
And so I began 
this pilgrimage, 
this global pilgrimage 
that began in Egypt 
in 2001, and then 
went from there 
to South Africa, 
and China, and Peru 
and Alaska, and 
New Zealand, literally 
all around the world. 
Before I went though, 
what I did was 
I literally located 
each of the 12 sites 
as far as I had 
any understanding of them 
at that stage, and 
it didn’t all come at once. 
It unfolded over time. 
But I positioned them 
as well as I could 
on a map of the Earth, 
and I was truly amazed, 
to realize that they could 
be positioned such 
that each of them anchored 
one of the 12 faces of 
the planetary energy grid 
that Plato had originally 
talked about. 
Plato had originally said 
and many geomancers 
now agree, 
that the energy field 
of the Earth, of Gaia is in, 
has twelve faces. 
It’s a dodecahedron. 
And when I positioned 
these 12 sites that 
spirit had told me about 
and which I hadn’t 
known about until then, 
each of them 
was able to be located 
on a different face 
of a 12-fold geometry 
overlying the Earth. 
And I sometimes 
describe those journeys 
as a hero’s journey. 
In myth and legend, 
they are classical journeys 
where an ordinary person 
gets a call to do 
something extraordinary. 
And if they answer that call, 
it changes them forever 
and essentially that’s 
what happened to me. 
And not just to me but also 
having subsequently 
written the book, 
“The 13th Step,” 
that tells the true story 
of those journeys 
and what we learned 
from them, 
what I learned from them, 
that is common to us all 
about our own awakening, 
about the shift, 
about what’s happening 
in 2012 and beyond. 
Then I was able to 
share that with 
many, many more people. 
And the feedback I’ve had 
from people 
who’ve read the book 
is very much 
that they feel it’s their
journey and that 
they’ve learned so much 
about themselves 
through reading it, 
and it truly is. 
You don’t need to go 
around the world, 
you don’t need to undertake 
this great pilgrimage. 
You can stay 
in your own home, 
it’s an inner journey 
of self-discovery 
and awareness, 
and so that was 
what it was all about, but 
what I learned through it 
about the shift 
was very much 
about the reality, 
the significance of 2012. 
Once again, Dr. Currivan, 
we thank you for 
your profound insights 
on the interaction 
of modern science, 
ancient wisdom 
and the evolution 
of human consciousness. 
You and your colleagues 
play an important role 
in informing us 
that our perspectives 
need to be expanded 
to encompass 
the entire universe 
and that our 
conscious intentions
create the reality around us.
For more details 
on Dr. Currivan, 
please visit 
www.JudeCurrivan.com
“The 13th Step” 
and other books 
by Jude Currivan 
are available 
at the same website
Please join us again 
next Monday for 
Science and Spirituality 
and the last 
of our three-part series 
on Dr. Jude Currivan.
Genial viewers, 
thank you 
for your presence today 
on our program. 
Coming up next is 
Words of Wisdom, 
after Noteworthy News. 
May humanity forever 
reach for the stars 
and beyond.
Greetings, 
insightful viewers, 
and welcome to 
Science and Spirituality, 
featuring the last 
in our three-part series 
on acclaimed 
British scientist, author, 
visionary and teacher 
Dr. Jude Currivan, 
who has learned that 
science and spirituality 
can be viewed 
as two aspects 
of the same whole. 
Having experienced 
multi-dimensional realities 
since the age of four, 
Dr. Currivan was guided 
to pursue a career 
that integrates the latest 
developments in physics, 
universal and 
ancient wisdom and 
new revelations about 
a conscious universe 
with no boundaries 
between 
science, spirituality 
and everything else. 
After completing 
her doctoral research 
in ancient cosmologies, 
Dr. Currivan received 
a Ph.D. in archaeology 
from the University 
of Reading in the UK. 
She also holds an M.A. 
in physics from
Oxford University 
with a specialization 
in cosmology and 
quantum physics.
Dr. Currivan is also 
the author of “The Wave,” 
“The 8th Chakra,” 
and “The 13th Step” 
as well as “HOPE- Healing 
Our People and Earth,” 
which is to be released 
in July 2011. 
Her books 
have been published 
in over 14 languages.
We can’t afford fear 
anymore. 
And the beauty 
of the shift is we’re being 
offered the opportunity 
to transcend it, 
not to deny it, 
not to run away from it, 
but to literally heal it 
within ourselves. 
And the most incredible 
future beckons 
if we’re willing 
to take that leap of faith 
into love; that’s 
what we’re all about.
Last week, 
Dr. Currivan spoke about 
how recent developments 
in physics show that 
human consciousness 
and intention 
are intimately linked with 
the physical universe, 
a phenomenon known as 
“non-local interconnection,” 
which has long been 
understood by the world’s 
spiritual traditions.  
Today she’ll conclude 
her discussion with more 
insights on the changes 
predicted to begin on Earth 
in December 2012, 
ancient connections 
to these transformations, 
and how we can heal 
ourselves and our planet 
by overcoming fear, 
recognizing everything 
and everyone 
as part of the web of life, 
and embracing love.
Let’s now hear 
the conclusion 
of our interview 
with Dr. Currivan, 
as she begins 
with the coming shift 
from individual to 
universal consciousness.
It’s transcending 
the limitations of our 
ego-based awareness, 
and literally growing up 
to become aware of 
the unity of all that is, 
and that we are God, 
that we are microcosms 
of God, of cosmic mind, 
and that nothing 
and no one is separate, 
that we are all 
ultimately one. 
And that was the lesson, 
that was the learning, 
that was the experience 
that I write about 
in “The 13th Step,” 
and that was the experience 
that led me 
to an understanding and 
to an activation, not just 
of the planetary grid 
of Gaia, which opened 
a galactic portal 
for 2012, but also 
to the understanding 
not just of the 8th chakra, 
but of a 12- 
and a 13-chakra system, 
all levels of awareness 
that literally when 
they’re all activated, 
manifest the galactic human 
that people are 
talking about.
You mentioned 
how civilization or 
the human consciousness 
would evolve in waves. 
I feel that civilization 
has moved forward 
in waves. 
(It) is perhaps a reflection 
of something that is far,
far more fundamental, 
which is that 
when we talk about 
a conscious Cosmos, 
consciousness expresses 
itself as energy, 
and all energy, 
regardless of their form 
can be expressed as waves. 
Everything 
that we call reality 
can be mathematically 
described as wave forms. 
And waves, of course, 
have wavelengths, 
and they begin, they peak, 
and they fall away. 
And they embody 
information, they embody 
consciousness. 
Consciousness expressed 
as energy, 
energy expressed as waves; 
all that we call reality 
is the interconnectivity 
of all of those waves 
on every scale, 
from the most minute 
to the greatest. 
And so, consciousness 
expressing itself is also 
naturally expressing waves, 
whether it's the rise and 
the fall of a civilization, 
or whether it's 
how astrologists describe 
our personality through 
literally the wave forms 
that the planetary bodies 
make. 
So everything 
that we call reality 
can be considered as 
interacting waves of energy 
that itself fundamentally 
embodies consciousness. 
The shift 
to universal consciousness 
will require humans 
to remain open to change 
no matter how challenging 
it may be.
And as more and more 
discoveries come to light, 
what is really key 
for each of us is 
we’re open to those. 
We don’t say, 
“That’s not true, 
it can’t be true,” 
because there’s going 
to be some stuff 
that comes to light that 
we’re not comfortable with, 
which is exactly the case 
for an individual 
for healing.  
It’s the shadow stuff, 
the uncomfortable stuff 
that we don’t want 
to acknowledge, 
that we don’t want to own. 
But to heal, to release, 
to transcend 
that sense of duality, 
we need to acknowledge it.  
And I feel 
that that is a really 
crucial part of what 
we’re going through now. 
We need to know perhaps 
for the first time 
in our human story, 
who we really are.  
And that includes not just 
our human heritage, 
but if it’s truly the case 
that extraterrestrials 
have a part to play 
in our human past, 
which many people now 
do perceive that 
to be the case, we need 
to acknowledge it. 
We don’t need to fear it, 
but we need 
to acknowledge it. 
Because ultimately, 
if we’re able to be open 
in our hearts 
as well as our minds 
and acknowledge 
what is being understood 
and discovered, 
what is true will remain 
and what isn’t 
will just fall away. 
But what it does is 
it offers us the opportunity 
to literally remember 
who we really are. 
Dr. Currivan adds 
that knowledge 
of past civilizations 
can help humanity 
to overcome its fears 
and experience freedom 
and healing 
in the coming age.
I think there are 
a number of ways in which 
our understanding 
of the past can help us 
release the fear, 
release the traumas 
and therefore heal.  
One is in the deep past and 
is probably fundamental. 
Another is 
in the more recent past 
but is 
nonetheless fundamental 
to what’s still playing out. 
If we go to the deep past, 
now there are 
more and more discoveries 
that are suggesting that 
what are being termed 
as myths of Lemuria 
or Atlantis may be real. 
But I think 
there’s a deeper myth that 
may yet prove to be true. 
And that is the myth 
of the Sumerian records 
that talk about 
extraterrestrial beings 
called Anunnaki, 
which in Sumerian meant 
“those from heaven 
to earth came.” 
Because the Sumerians 
relate their history 
and their involvement 
with these 
extraterrestrial beings 
not as myth, not as legend 
but as true. 
And the Sumerians 
describe these beings 
as being Draconian, 
dragon-like.  
And it’s always been 
absolutely fascinating to me 
how around the world, 
and I’ve traveled 
to nearly 70 countries, 
how around the world 
there is a very pervasive 
recognition of dragons, 
mythic beings.  
And I think the very fact 
that these stories are 
so pervasive and common 
to many, many 
different traditions 
and the way in which 
the Sumerian records 
deal with this 
extraterrestrial involvement 
I think is something 
that really we now need 
to be open to and we need 
to find out the truth of. 
Now it may be 
that it is purely symbolic, 
but my own research 
and my own perception, 
my own experience 
suggests that it’s 
far more fundamental 
than that.  
And coming to terms 
not only that 
there may have been 
extensive extraterrestrial 
involvement in our past 
but also the Sumerians 
go further than that.  
They actually say that 
the Anunnaki genetically 
modified early hominids 
to create what we now 
call modern humans. 
Are we in some way within 
our genetic structure 
a hybrid of 
an earth-based race and 
an extraterrestrial race? 
Time will tell.  
But I think that’s something 
that’s fundamental 
to our psyche.  
And the fact 
that we don’t know, 
but that more and more 
people are feeling 
a deep truth to this. 
I think something 
will come out, 
one way or another.    
Finally, 
we asked Dr. Currivan 
for her perspective 
on the relationship 
between the global trend 
of more and more people 
embracing 
the plant-based diet 
and the shift to 
universal consciousness.
We have a web of life; 
every thread affects 
every other thread. 
In a hologram, 
every piece of the hologram 
reflects every other piece.  
So what’s happening as 
we go through this shift is 
our entire consciousness 
is shifting, like a wave, 
like a tidal wave 
of consciousness 
moving forward. 
And as we wake up, 
as our awareness expands 
beyond the limits 
of our personality, 
which it is doing 
because this shift, 
when we see the waves 
on the ocean surface, 
they move because 
that vast body of water 
beneath them is moving. 
There are vast, 
unstoppable tides 
of change moving through 
that oceanic volume, 
just as there are 
vast tides of change 
moving through 
our collective psyche 
and that does mean 
that inevitably 
we are beginning 
to overcome our fears.  
We’re literally journeying 
from fear to love.  
As we begin 
to overcome our fears, 
as we begin to feel 
that interconnection, 
experience 
that interconnection, 
either consciously 
or subconsciously, we just 
don’t want the things 
we wanted before.  
They just don’t feel right.  
We don’t feel called to them, 
we feel called 
to something else.  
We don’t want 
to have a lifestyle 
that is consumer driven, 
or cruel or violent.  
We naturally move 
to something that is 
more compassionate, 
more generous, 
more interconnected.  
We’re literally moving into 
the level of awareness 
of the universal heart, 
the eighth chakra.  
Once again, Dr. Currivan, 
thank you for your 
thoughtful insights 
on the interplay 
of modern science, 
ancient wisdom 
and the evolution 
of human consciousness. 
In line with your vision, 
we too see humanity 
become ever more 
benevolent and aware of 
its interconnectedness 
with the rest of the universe 
as we move into 
the Golden Era.
For more details 
on Dr. Currivan, 
please visit 
www.JudeCurrivan.com
“The 13th Step,” 
“HOPE” and other books 
by Jude Currivan 
are available 
at the same website
Esteemed viewers, 
we appreciated 
your presence today 
on our program. 
Coming up next is 
Words of Wisdom, 
after Noteworthy News. 
May we all 
join hands in unity 
as brothers and sisters.